In article <1d04bb52-1c95-414b-bd6c-(E-Mail Removed)>, Cindy Hamilton <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>It's not very attractive as is, but I think a lot of the problem is
>that the paint around it is just too light. The contrast is too
>great.
>
>I'd pick out one of the lighter colors from the brick...

Thank you for an excellent suggestion. If refacing with
a natural stone tile doesn't work out for reasons of
cost, or code issues, we can certainly try to soften
the contrast with a quick paint job on that wall.

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Malcolm Hoar wrote:
> So, I have an ugly brick fireplace that I'd like to "enhance":
>
> http://www.malch.com/nikon/DSD_2769.jpg
>
> Sadly, the budget is very limited. So, I'm thinking in terms
> of a granite (or similar) tile.
>
> I understand it is feasible to tile over the brick. However,
> my gut feel suggests it would be better to remove the bricks
> first, install a new cementboard backer, and tile over that.
>
> I would maybe add a ready made (wood) shelf mantel.
>
> Any thoughts on those approaches? Other suggestions welcome.
>
> I'm also a little nervous about running into a whole slew
> of (expensive) code issues (I'm in CA). Is that likely to
> derail the whole project?
>
Nobody else said it, so I will. That fireplace looks like a metal
prefab, and that brick looks entirely decorative, and probably
removable. (Looks a lot like my faux fireplace.) Is your outside
chimney brick, or sided like the house? What year was house built,
and/or the fireplace installed? Hard to say without a closer look, but
I'd almost bet all that brick would pop off there in about 20 minutes,
including the hearth. It would then just be a matter of building back
with something fireproof in a color you like. Only likely code issues
would be the required air space around the tin box, and required
distance of non-flammable materials for hearth and surrounding the
opening. Likely there is already backerboard behind the brick on the wall.

But I could be wrong.
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In article <7zOdl.147313$_(E-Mail Removed)>, aemeijers <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Nobody else said it, so I will. That fireplace looks like a metal
>prefab, and that brick looks entirely decorative, and probably
>removable. (Looks a lot like my faux fireplace.) Is your outside
>chimney brick, or sided like the house? What year was house built,
>and/or the fireplace installed? Hard to say without a closer look, but
>I'd almost bet all that brick would pop off there in about 20 minutes,
>including the hearth. It would then just be a matter of building back
>with something fireproof in a color you like.

The house was built about 20 years ago and yes, I think you're
exactly right... those bricks should pop off quite easily.

I will try and speak with a city inspector to try and get a
handle on the code issues. I simply have no experience with
the fireplace codes and no feel for how stringent they are
aside from the common sense precautions of using only fire
rated materials in the immediate vicinity.

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In article <dFOdl.5450$(E-Mail Removed)>, "K" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I'm sorry, man, but that is one ugly fireplace.

No need to sugar coat it ;-)

Yeah, the house is mainly pretty decent but it came with
a few fairly gross features most of which are now history.


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OP might try cleaning brick with muriatic acid, its pretty bad looking
now, how much worse can you make it

In article <882f89f4-19b5-4f44-9bf0-(E-Mail Removed)>, "(E-Mail Removed)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>OP might try cleaning brick with muriatic acid, its pretty bad looking
>now, how much worse can you make it

Hmmm, well I might just try a spot test with muriatic and
maybe even some bleach. A bleaching might just help.

Having said that, general observation suggests that bricks
retain their pigments even after very significant weathering
and UV exposure. Heck, I've seen brick buildings that are
still bright red after many hundreds of years.

I did try sanding a spot as suggested by another poster --
it looked a little lighter, until I wiped off the dust.

It will get replaced at some point. It's just a matter
of budget and whether to remove the bricks or simply
hide them with a new natural stone facade. Nothing that
can't be fixed with the application of sufficient $$$.

In the meantime, by the way, I do think it would be
quite simple to make the thing look a lot worse.
Painting the bricks is probably one way ;-)

Nevertheless, I thank everyone for their suggestions,
however crazy ;-)

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On Jan 21, 11:57*am, ma...@malch.com (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
> So, I have an ugly brick fireplace that I'd like to "enhance":
>
> http://www.malch.com/nikon/DSD_2769.jpg
>
> Sadly, the budget is very limited. So, I'm thinking in terms
> of a granite (or similar) tile.
>
> I understand it is feasible to tile over the brick. However,
> my gut feel suggests it would be better to remove the bricks
> first, install a new cementboard backer, and tile over that.
>
> I would maybe add a ready made (wood) shelf mantel.
>
> Any thoughts on those approaches? Other suggestions welcome.
>
> I'm also a little nervous about running into a whole slew
> of (expensive) code issues (I'm in CA). Is that likely to
> derail the whole project?
>
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> | Malcolm Hoar * * * * * "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
> | ma...@malch.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * * Gary Player. |
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I tiled over mine that was similar to what you have. I didn't have
the raised hearth to deal with but you could tile that as well or wrap
edges with wood of your choice. Of course check the code but I doubt
it would be an issue because you would be adding the would to the
outside edges of the hearth and not reducing the non-flammable area.

They way I attached my tile to the face of the brick was with good old
Liquid Nails.
Ran a good thick bead on the back of each tile
Pressed in place then pulled it off
put back in place and let go

Not a one has even thought about coming loose. I used tiles with
straight edges and didn't bother leaving a grout space, just butted
them together. Nothing that is going to win me a design award but way
better than most of the crap you see on HGTV.

Disclaimer: I have only used my fireplace once since I 'glued' on the
tiles a year ago but I doubt the minimal heat is going to affect
Liquid Nails if you use yours regularly. If it does then mix up some
mortar and slap them back up.

Cheap & easy way to cover up some ugly brick.

On Jan 21, 5:02*pm, ma...@malch.com (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
> In article <7zOdl.147313$_Y1.128...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, aemeijers <aemeij...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >Nobody else said it, so I will. That fireplace looks like a metal
> >prefab, and that brick looks entirely decorative, and probably
> >removable. (Looks a lot like my faux fireplace.) *Is your outside
> >chimney brick, or sided like the house? What year was house built,
> >and/or the fireplace installed? *Hard to say without a closer look, but
> >I'd almost bet all that brick would pop off there in about 20 minutes,
> >including the hearth. It would then just be a matter of building back
> >with something fireproof in a color you like.
>
> The house was built about 20 years ago and yes, I think you're
> exactly right... those bricks should pop off quite easily.
>
> I will try and speak with a city inspector to try and get a
> handle on the code issues. I simply have no experience with
> the fireplace codes and no feel for how stringent they are
> aside from the common sense precautions of using only fire
> rated materials in the immediate vicinity.
>
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> | Malcolm Hoar * * * * * "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
> | ma...@malch.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * * Gary Player. |
> |http://www.malch.com/* * * * * * * Shpx gur PQN. * * * * * * * *|
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be really sure about that. i thought so too in my slump block
fireplace. popped the blocks out, and was left with a hole and nothing
to tile on. i had to rebuild it with bricks again.

you can tile granite tiles right over the bricks. if that isn't flat
enough, skim coat it with thinset, or thin wonderboard, and tile on
that.