I plan to run a length of water line(2") for gravity feed and power line
(2") for 1/0 wire.
I have determined the power line is 1/0 for the 300 '
or less, with an electrical contractor, for a small 100 amp service to a
cabin.

I want to run a phone line that distance and was wondering the size of the
line for the regular telephone service
if I want to have one down at the cabin.
Do I run the regular telephone wire?
Or do I upgrade to a larger wire for distance?

Thank You,
jloomis

On Mon, 7 May 2012 13:01:47 -0700, jloomis wrote:

> I plan to run a length of water line(2") for gravity feed and power line
> (2") for 1/0 wire.
> I have determined the power line is 1/0 for the 300 '
> or less, with an electrical contractor, for a small 100 amp service to a
> cabin.
>
> I want to run a phone line that distance and was wondering the size of the
> line for the regular telephone service
> if I want to have one down at the cabin.
> Do I run the regular telephone wire?
> Or do I upgrade to a larger wire for distance?
>
> Thank You,
> jloomis

check with the local telco for actual size.
But my guess is that standard phone line should do.

Easy to fine out.
Dah!

OK, I found that I can use CAT 3 or CAT 5 CMX.
They are outdoor cable and typically for a gate opener one uses this also.
For instance at 800 ft. it works fine.
At 300 ft. ok too since it is shorter.....
So, a little research online and voila!
Any suggestions gladly appreciated.
jloomis

"jloomis" wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...

I plan to run a length of water line(2") for gravity feed and power line
(2") for 1/0 wire.
I have determined the power line is 1/0 for the 300 '
or less, with an electrical contractor, for a small 100 amp service to a
cabin.

I want to run a phone line that distance and was wondering the size of the
line for the regular telephone service
if I want to have one down at the cabin.
Do I run the regular telephone wire?
Or do I upgrade to a larger wire for distance?

Thank You,
jloomis

On Mon, 7 May 2012 17:11:02 -0700, jloomis wrote:

> Easy to fine out.
> Dah!
>
> OK, I found that I can use CAT 3 or CAT 5 CMX.
> They are outdoor cable and typically for a gate opener one uses this also.
> For instance at 800 ft. it works fine.
> At 300 ft. ok too since it is shorter.....
> So, a little research online and voila!
> Any suggestions gladly appreciated.
> jloomis
>
> "jloomis" wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> I plan to run a length of water line(2") for gravity feed and power line
> (2") for 1/0 wire.
> I have determined the power line is 1/0 for the 300 '
> or less, with an electrical contractor, for a small 100 amp service to a
> cabin.
>
> I want to run a phone line that distance and was wondering the size of the
> line for the regular telephone service
> if I want to have one down at the cabin.
> Do I run the regular telephone wire?
> Or do I upgrade to a larger wire for distance?
>
> Thank You,
> jloomis

I was just thinking, why bother with the wire?
Two yagi antennas should do the trick.

for the telephone?
what would I have to do to make the phone work with Yagi antenna.
I imagine a power source, a transmitter, a phone recording device......
Lots of stuff to hook up a plain Jane telephone?
I think a Yagi Antenna is for Ham radio if I am not mistaken.
humm?
"richard" wrote in message
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On Mon, 7 May 2012 17:11:02 -0700, jloomis wrote:

> Easy to fine out.
> Dah!
>
> OK, I found that I can use CAT 3 or CAT 5 CMX.
> They are outdoor cable and typically for a gate opener one uses this also.
> For instance at 800 ft. it works fine.
> At 300 ft. ok too since it is shorter.....
> So, a little research online and voila!
> Any suggestions gladly appreciated.
> jloomis
>
> "jloomis" wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> I plan to run a length of water line(2") for gravity feed and power line
> (2") for 1/0 wire.
> I have determined the power line is 1/0 for the 300 '
> or less, with an electrical contractor, for a small 100 amp service to a
> cabin.
>
> I want to run a phone line that distance and was wondering the size of
> the
> line for the regular telephone service
> if I want to have one down at the cabin.
> Do I run the regular telephone wire?
> Or do I upgrade to a larger wire for distance?
>
> Thank You,
> jloomis

I was just thinking, why bother with the wire?
Two yagi antennas should do the trick.

On Mon, 7 May 2012 18:54:58 -0700, jloomis wrote:

> for the telephone?
> what would I have to do to make the phone work with Yagi antenna.
> I imagine a power source, a transmitter, a phone recording device......
> Lots of stuff to hook up a plain Jane telephone?
> I think a Yagi Antenna is for Ham radio if I am not mistaken.
> humm?

yeah it might be more trouble but it was just an idea.
FYI yagi is a style of antenna which is so common, well, every rooftoop in
the country used to have them. Some still do.
but I'm gonna look around and see what I can come up with just for fun.

On Mon, 7 May 2012 18:54:58 -0700, jloomis wrote:

> for the telephone?
> what would I have to do to make the phone work with Yagi antenna.
> I imagine a power source, a transmitter, a phone recording device......
> Lots of stuff to hook up a plain Jane telephone?
> I think a Yagi Antenna is for Ham radio if I am not mistaken.
> humm?

One way might be with a wireless router.
You can plug standard phone lines into most of them.
Bare routers can transmit 300 feet with no obstructions.
But a small yagi antenna will boost the signal for sure.

radiolabs has a nice affordable selection.

http://www.radiolabs.com/products/wi...ss-antenna.php

Hello,
I was wondering about this.
Does 300 ft. calc. out to a 100 amp possibility with 2 gauge?
Say if it were even 350'
I have to measure after trenching and such to actual 100 amp panel in
garage.
It may be real close to 300' and possible a few more.....not sure yet?
What distance would 2 gauge get me for curiosity sake.
I would love to be able to take advantage of all the power I can get if it
is needed for "art studio" cabin, etc.(1/0 costs is going to be hard to
swallow too)
I already upgraded from my house to my 100 amp service in the garage with a
new copper wire.
Now I need to go from that panel to the cabin.
Your advice and calculation is appreciated.
Jloomis

"Steve Barker" wrote in message
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On 5/7/2012 3:01 PM, jloomis wrote:
> I plan to run a length of water line(2") for gravity feed and power line
> (2") for 1/0 wire.
> I have determined the power line is 1/0 for the 300 '
> or less, with an electrical contractor, for a small 100 amp service to a
> cabin.
>
> I want to run a phone line that distance and was wondering the size of
> the line for the regular telephone service
> if I want to have one down at the cabin.
> Do I run the regular telephone wire?
> Or do I upgrade to a larger wire for distance?
>
> Thank You,
> jloomis
>
>

standard cat 5 cable will do the trick.

oh, and btw, you don't need 1/0 to carry 100 amps that far. 2ga would
be fine.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

Too much trouble......yep.
Hey, why not get 2 cans and a string for the hell of it!
just kidding.....no antenna this time though.
john

"richard" wrote in message
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On Mon, 7 May 2012 18:54:58 -0700, jloomis wrote:

> for the telephone?
> what would I have to do to make the phone work with Yagi antenna.
> I imagine a power source, a transmitter, a phone recording device......
> Lots of stuff to hook up a plain Jane telephone?
> I think a Yagi Antenna is for Ham radio if I am not mistaken.
> humm?

yeah it might be more trouble but it was just an idea.
FYI yagi is a style of antenna which is so common, well, every rooftoop in
the country used to have them. Some still do.
but I'm gonna look around and see what I can come up with just for fun.

> I plan to run a length of water line(2") for gravity feed and power
> line (2") for 1/0 wire.
> I have determined the power line is 1/0 for the 300 '
> or less, with an electrical contractor, for a small 100 amp service to
> a cabin.
> I want to run a phone line that distance and was wondering the size
> of the line for the regular telephone service if I want to have one
> down at the cabin. Do I run the regular telephone wire?
> Or do I upgrade to a larger wire for distance?

I don't remember where I read it, but I think regular phone cable is good
for 2000-4000 feet depending on whether you use the 22 gauge or 24 gauge
cable. You can use Cat5e network cable to go a little further, and I would
probably use it for shorter runs also as the twisted cables help reduce
crosstalk interference.

In any case, you will probably have to find cable rated for direct burial.
Even if you run conduit between buildings, it can still fill up with water.

When I needed direct burial cable to wire up our house, my phone company
gave me a few hundred feet at no cost. I don't know if that's standard
practice or not, but it saved me a lot of time and expense.

I would run Cat5e cable as you may want to run a network connection some
day. I would probably run two cables while you have things open. Better
yet, install conduit between buildings and you can pull whatever you need
later.

On the other hand, I've been running VOIP phone service for quite a few
years. With cordless phones I don't even use that phone cable I buried
years ago.

Anthony