On Mar 9, 4:35*pm, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:21:15 GMT, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
> wrote:
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> >In article <904f38e1-7c0b-407c-a5ab-69a389d7f...@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, trad...@optonline.net wrote:
> >>On Mar 9, 10:50=A0am, dpb <n...@non.net> wrote:
> >>> Gordon Shumway wrote:
> >>> > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:11:24 -0500, p...@webtv.net (Jack) wrote:
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> >>> >> I do not have one of the key-less cars with the start button so turning
> >>> >> off the car would 1)lock the steering wheel and 2)do away with power
> >>> >> brakes.
>
> >>> 1) No, only requires locking to remove key from ignition
>
> >>To clarify, what he's saying is that if you turn off the ignition the
> >>steering wheel will not lock unless you also remove the key.
>
> >Incorrect. The steering wheel locks as soon as the ignition switch is turned
> >to the position in which the key _can_ be removed, even if the key remains in
> >the lock cylinder.
>
> How old is the car you are driving???
> For at least the last 10 years or more, the steering lock can NOT
> engage without removing the key.
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??? I have 2005 Ford 500. Has the usual (for the past 30 years at
least) LOCK, OFF, RUN,Run Positions (may have another position to run
radio, etc, only). Locks the steering in the LOCK positon with the
key still in it. I'll bet almost all other cars do the same.

Harry K

On Mar 9, 5:21*pm, dpb <n...@non.net> wrote:
> trad...@optonline.net wrote:
> > On Mar 9, 10:50 am, dpb <n...@non.net> wrote:
> >> Gordon Shumway wrote:
> ...
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> >> 2) Far better to have manual braking and no acceleration than burn out
> >> brakes w/ continued acceleration
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> >>>> Why not put the car in neutral, and the brake would stop the car, and
> >>>> then you could shut it off?
> >> Why not, indeed...
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> >>>> Can the problem cars not be shifted into neutral when this happens?
>
> > Some people have claimed that they tried, but could not. Are they
> > telling the truth? *Who knows. * * But take a look at the other thread
> > here I just posted. * You have a Toyota again in San Diego, with
> > police involvement for a long time and from the reports so far, it
> > doesn't appear anyone had sense enough to just put it in neutral. *....
>
> Just saw the driver say he was unfamiliar w/ the gearshift -- okay, so
> who's car was it? *If it was his as was indicated as he took it to the
> dealership earlier for the fix, that's his bad...
>
> Then, he followed that up w/ the astounding statement he thought (or
> "didn't know if" may have been the actual words, I don't recall
> precisely just now?) the car would flip if he did shift to
> neutral...what in the world would possibly make one think something like
> that? *And, he eventually turned it off -- why wouldn't one think of
> that before on one's own long before reaching 90 mph????
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> One good thing in this incident other than the doofus did escape is that
> Toyota and DOT engineers are going to examine the particular vehicle
> that did malfunction. *Hopefully Toyota won't have a chance to clean it
> up before independent parties are there for a real forensic examination.
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Near as I could follow the clips, he wasn't told, and didn't try, to
turn it off before slowing way down.

This is the second car that Toyota has had for a good exam. First one
was sitting in its lot with smoking brakes. Never heard what they
found on that one.

Harry k

On 3/10/2010 5:55 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
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> "Harry K" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
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>> Near as I could follow the clips, he wasn't told, and didn't try, to
>> turn it off before slowing way down.
>>
>> This is the second car that Toyota has had for a good exam. First one
>> was sitting in its lot with smoking brakes. Never heard what they
>> found on that one.
>>
>> Harry k
>
> The news tonight had the recording of part of the 911 call:
> Operator: Did you try shifting to neutral?
> Driver: NO
>
> He later said he was afraid to because he thought the car might flip. He
> should have his license revoked.

Retroactively...

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:23:34 -0500, George <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>On 3/10/2010 5:55 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
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>> "Harry K" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>>>
>>> Near as I could follow the clips, he wasn't told, and didn't try, to
>>> turn it off before slowing way down.
>>>
>>> This is the second car that Toyota has had for a good exam. First one
>>> was sitting in its lot with smoking brakes. Never heard what they
>>> found on that one.
>>>
>>> Harry k
>>
>> The news tonight had the recording of part of the 911 call:
>> Operator: Did you try shifting to neutral?
>> Driver: NO
>>
>> He later said he was afraid to because he thought the car might flip. He
>> should have his license revoked.
>
>Retroactively...

You guys are pretty hysterical. There are probably BILLIONS of drivers
in the world who aren't aware of how to fix a leaky faucet, or which
way to turn a screw to tighten it.

I'm guessing that you aren't perfect and all knowing, either. You just
have different areas of interest than some other people. This may come
as a shock, but that doesn't make you in any way superior to any of
them.

On Mar 9, 9:38*am, Gordon Shumway <Rho...@Planet.Melmac> wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:11:24 -0500, p...@webtv.net (Jack) wrote:
> >I do not have one of the key-less cars with the start button so turning
> >off the car would 1)lock the steering wheel and 2)do away with power
> >brakes.
>
> >Why not put the car in neutral, and the brake would stop the car, and
> >then you could shut it off?
>
> >Can the problem cars not be shifted into neutral when this happens?
>
> WTF does this have to do with home repair?

Home Owners Repair, got it.

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> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:23:34 -0500, George <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
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>> On 3/10/2010 5:55 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> "Harry K" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>>>> Near as I could follow the clips, he wasn't told, and didn't try, to
>>>> turn it off before slowing way down.
>>>>
>>>> This is the second car that Toyota has had for a good exam. First one
>>>> was sitting in its lot with smoking brakes. Never heard what they
>>>> found on that one.
>>>>
>>>> Harry k
>>> The news tonight had the recording of part of the 911 call:
>>> Operator: Did you try shifting to neutral?
>>> Driver: NO
>>>
>>> He later said he was afraid to because he thought the car might flip. He
>>> should have his license revoked.
>> Retroactively...
>
> You guys are pretty hysterical. There are probably BILLIONS of drivers
> in the world who aren't aware of how to fix a leaky faucet, or which
> way to turn a screw to tighten it.
>
> I'm guessing that you aren't perfect and all knowing, either. You just
> have different areas of interest than some other people. This may come
> as a shock, but that doesn't make you in any way superior to any of
> them.
>

Well, the world does need poets and English professors. *snicker*

TDD

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>I'm guessing that you aren't perfect and all knowing, either. You just
>have different areas of interest than some other people. This may come
>as a shock, but that doesn't make you in any way superior to any of
>them.
>
No, but having the good sense to shift a runaway-accelerating auto into
neutral -- as has happened to me twice -- *does* make me superior to those who
lack that good sense. <g>

FWIW, neither one of those was a Toyota. One was a Buick, the other a GMC
truck.

On Mar 10, 4:53*am, John...@nowheremonfrere.com wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:23:34 -0500, George <geo...@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
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> >On 3/10/2010 5:55 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
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> >> "Harry K" <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote
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> >>> Near as I could follow the clips, he wasn't told, and didn't try, to
> >>> turn it off before slowing way down.
>
> >>> This is the second car that Toyota has had for a good exam. First one
> >>> was sitting in its lot with smoking brakes. Never heard what they
> >>> found on that one.
>
> >>> Harry k
>
> >> The news tonight had the recording of part of the 911 call:
> >> Operator: Did you try shifting to neutral?
> >> Driver: NO
>
> >> He later said he was afraid to because he thought the car might flip. He
> >> should have his license revoked.
>
> >Retroactively...
>
> You guys are pretty hysterical. There are probably BILLIONS of drivers
> in the world who aren't aware of how to fix a leaky faucet, or which
> way to turn a screw to tighten it.
>
> I'm guessing that you aren't perfect and all knowing, either. You just
> have different areas of interest than some other people. This may come
> as a shock, but that doesn't make you in any way superior to any of
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So, with all the coverage of the problem on the news you think that an
owner of one of those cars _shouldn't_ have known about it _and_ the
solution to how to stop? Turning off the engine does not take a
genius, nor does shifting out of gear. Everyone out there who drives
knows how to do both.

Harry K

On Mar 10, 12:28*am, Harry K <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 9, 4:35*pm, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
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> > On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:21:15 GMT, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
> > wrote:
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> > >In article <904f38e1-7c0b-407c-a5ab-69a389d7f...@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, trad...@optonline.net wrote:
> > >>On Mar 9, 10:50=A0am, dpb <n...@non.net> wrote:
> > >>> Gordon Shumway wrote:
> > >>> > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:11:24 -0500, p...@webtv.net (Jack) wrote:
>
> > >>> >> I do not have one of the key-less cars with the start button so turning
> > >>> >> off the car would 1)lock the steering wheel and 2)do away with power
> > >>> >> brakes.
>
> > >>> 1) No, only requires locking to remove key from ignition
>
> > >>To clarify, what he's saying is that if you turn off the ignition the
> > >>steering wheel will not lock unless you also remove the key.
>
> > >Incorrect. The steering wheel locks as soon as the ignition switch is turned
> > >to the position in which the key _can_ be removed, even if the key remains in
> > >the lock cylinder.
>
> > How old is the car you are driving???
> > For at least the last 10 years or more, the steering lock can NOT
> > engage without removing the key.
>
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> ??? *I have 2005 Ford 500. *Has the usual (for the past 30 years at
> least) LOCK, OFF, RUN,Run Positions (may have another position to run
> radio, etc, only). *Locks the steering in the LOCK positon with the
> key still in it. *I'll bet almost all other cars do the same.
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Well, here we go again. I may have generalized when I implied all
cars work that way. But apparently you and Doug are over generalizing
too. I have two cars here, a MB and a Porsche and just tried it on
both of them and they work exactly as I described. You can turn the
ignition off, to the lock position, and the steering wheel will not
actually lock until the key is removed. When I remove the key I here
a clunk sound of the spring loaded lock mechanism and at that point,
if you turn the wheel a few degrees either way it seats and the wheel
no longer moves. I previously had a number of Pontiac Gran Prixs and
I'm pretty sure they worked that way as well. I've never encountered
one where the wheel locked without the key removed.

I'd be interested in what others find in their cars. One would think
this would be a basic safety feature, as you would not want the
steering wheel to lock easily in the emergency kind of situation we've
been talking about.

On Mar 10, 5:55*am, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snetnospam.net> wrote:
> "Harry K" <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote
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> > Near as I could follow the clips, he wasn't told, and didn't try, to
> > turn it off before slowing way down.
>
> > This is the second car that Toyota has had for a good exam. *First one
> > was sitting in its lot with smoking brakes. *Never heard what they
> > found on that one.
>
> > Harry k
>
> The news tonight had the recording of part of the 911 call:
> Operator: *Did you try shifting to neutral?
> Driver: *NO
>
> He later said he was afraid to because he thought the car might flip. *He
> should have his license revoked.

Interesting, I heard the replay of the 911 call and I remember it
differently. I heard the 911 operator ask if he tried shifting into
netural and it sounded to me like he avoided the question and
responded saying something about having trouble talking on his cell
phone. I didn't hear him say no and his avoiding the question sounded
suspicious to me. I only heard it once and could have gotten it
wrong.