I can either replace a heat exchanger for about $400 (part under
warranty, labor based upon actual time), or buy a new furnace installed
for a net price of $2,600.

Old furnace: 90% Carrier with a clogged secondary heat exchanger (still
works for about 15 minutes at a time until the limit switch trips, so
can maintain temp in current 30 degree weather). 88,000 BTU.
Manufacturing date of 1989, but some evidence suggests it was installed
in 1992. I replaced the motherboard a few years ago (did it myself for
about $125). The igniter was replaced a few weeks ago (free because the
service guy broke it during the tune & clean). Other than that, I think
all the parts are original. I think it has a lifetime heat exchanger
warranty (part only). Clogged secondary was diagnosed by: 1) Tripping
of Limit cutoff switch; and 2) Soot in exhaust pipe.

New furnace: 94-96% Carrier Infinity 96. 80,000 BTU. Net cost of $2,600
which is: $3,550 less $150 Carrier rebate, $170 for paying cash (rather
than credit), $150 utility company rebate, $400 for replacing a
Carrier (bad heat exchanger program?), and $80 for tune and clean
performed 10 days ago. 10-year parts and labor warranty. Lifetime heat
exchanger warranty (part only). Because it is replacing a 90% Carrier,
it is a pretty direct swap-out. The new unit is a little shorter, so a
short collar to bridge the gap. PVC air supply and exhaust pipes are
fine.

Situation: South East Wisconsin. I'm guessing the new furance will save
$200/yr, but also make the house more comfortable because of the
multi-stage, and hopefully a little more quiet.

Because of rebates, a single stage 90% Carrier is only $300 cheaper,
and the other 2 stage Carrier is about $150 cheaper. The comparable
Lennox is about $500 more expensive (primarily due to the $400 Carrier
rebate). I have not priced a Trane or Rheem.

I currently have 2 furnaces, and the other Carrier is identical, except
for being a smaller BTU. If I replace the furnace, I would keep the old
one for spare parts.

When the service man diagnosed the problem, he quoted me a repair cost
that included the cost of the part ($800 repair). Only when I was doing
some purchase research did I discover the furnace had a lifetime heat
exchanger warranty.

Questions:
1) Any thoughts on replacing the heat exchanger, or the whole furnace
(seems like the age of the furnace is on the edge of being "old")?
2) Does the price seem reasonable?
3) How can I determine if they will install it right?
4) Did they cause the problem when they tuned the furnace (dislodged
rust that clogged the secondary)? Service man did say the heat
exchanger was rusting, but should last a few more years.
5) If they didn't cause the problem, should they have been able to see
the problem during the tune and clean (the problem arose when I set
back the thermostat 5 degrees when we were away for the weekend, and
the furnace needed extended run time to warm up the house)?
6) Should I consider a comparable Trane or Rheem?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

On 28 Dec 2005 06:30:57 -0800, "(E-Mail Removed)" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>I can either replace a heat exchanger for about $400 (part under
>warranty, labor based upon actual time), or buy a new furnace installed
>for a net price of $2,600.

(much to do about nothing, deleted here)
>
>Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Your best course of action would be to go lick a window then....
bash your head in with a rock.

(both lines admittedly stolen)
Bubba

At a minimum the existing furnace is 13 years old. Life expectancy of
a modern furnace is around 15 years. Replace it.

On 28 Dec 2005 06:30:57 -0800, "(E-Mail Removed)" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>I can either replace a heat exchanger for about $400 (part under
>warranty, labor based upon actual time), or buy a new furnace installed
>for a net price of $2,600.
>
>Old furnace: 90% Carrier with a clogged secondary heat exchanger (still
>works for about 15 minutes at a time until the limit switch trips, so
>can maintain temp in current 30 degree weather). 88,000 BTU.
>Manufacturing date of 1989, but some evidence suggests it was installed
>in 1992.


--
'I think the Wheel of Morality needs a
tune-up.' -- Wakko Warner

But then when some nut is going to replace a 90% eff heat exchanger
under warranty for only $400..................
I hope the company loses their ass on that one.
Bubba

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:06:16 GMT, Steve Scott <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>At a minimum the existing furnace is 13 years old. Life expectancy of
>a modern furnace is around 15 years. Replace it.
>
>On 28 Dec 2005 06:30:57 -0800, "(E-Mail Removed)" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>wrote:
>
>>I can either replace a heat exchanger for about $400 (part under
>>warranty, labor based upon actual time), or buy a new furnace installed
>>for a net price of $2,600.
>>
>>Old furnace: 90% Carrier with a clogged secondary heat exchanger (still
>>works for about 15 minutes at a time until the limit switch trips, so
>>can maintain temp in current 30 degree weather). 88,000 BTU.
>>Manufacturing date of 1989, but some evidence suggests it was installed
>>in 1992.

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) oups.com...
>I can either replace a heat exchanger for about $400 (part under
> warranty, labor based upon actual time), or buy a new furnace installed
> for a net price of $2,600.
>
> Old furnace: 90% Carrier with a clogged secondary heat exchanger (still
> works for about 15 minutes at a time until the limit switch trips, so
> can maintain temp in current 30 degree weather). 88,000 BTU.
> Manufacturing date of 1989, but some evidence suggests it was installed
> in 1992. I replaced the motherboard a few years ago (did it myself for
> about $125). The igniter was replaced a few weeks ago (free because the
> service guy broke it during the tune & clean). Other than that, I think
> all the parts are original. I think it has a lifetime heat exchanger
> warranty (part only). Clogged secondary was diagnosed by: 1) Tripping
> of Limit cutoff switch; and 2) Soot in exhaust pipe.
>
> New furnace: 94-96% Carrier Infinity 96. 80,000 BTU. Net cost of $2,600
> which is: $3,550 less $150 Carrier rebate, $170 for paying cash (rather
> than credit), $150 utility company rebate, $400 for replacing a
> Carrier (bad heat exchanger program?), and $80 for tune and clean
> performed 10 days ago. 10-year parts and labor warranty. Lifetime heat
> exchanger warranty (part only). Because it is replacing a 90% Carrier,
> it is a pretty direct swap-out. The new unit is a little shorter, so a
> short collar to bridge the gap. PVC air supply and exhaust pipes are
> fine.
>
> Situation: South East Wisconsin. I'm guessing the new furance will save
> $200/yr, but also make the house more comfortable because of the
> multi-stage, and hopefully a little more quiet.
>
> Because of rebates, a single stage 90% Carrier is only $300 cheaper,
> and the other 2 stage Carrier is about $150 cheaper. The comparable
> Lennox is about $500 more expensive (primarily due to the $400 Carrier
> rebate). I have not priced a Trane or Rheem.
>
> I currently have 2 furnaces, and the other Carrier is identical, except
> for being a smaller BTU. If I replace the furnace, I would keep the old
> one for spare parts.
>
> When the service man diagnosed the problem, he quoted me a repair cost
> that included the cost of the part ($800 repair). Only when I was doing
> some purchase research did I discover the furnace had a lifetime heat
> exchanger warranty.
>
> Questions:
> 1) Any thoughts on replacing the heat exchanger, or the whole furnace
> (seems like the age of the furnace is on the edge of being "old")?
> 2) Does the price seem reasonable?
> 3) How can I determine if they will install it right?
> 4) Did they cause the problem when they tuned the furnace (dislodged
> rust that clogged the secondary)? Service man did say the heat
> exchanger was rusting, but should last a few more years.
> 5) If they didn't cause the problem, should they have been able to see
> the problem during the tune and clean (the problem arose when I set
> back the thermostat 5 degrees when we were away for the weekend, and
> the furnace needed extended run time to warm up the house)?
> 6) Should I consider a comparable Trane or Rheem?
>
> Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

If you want the best, go with the Trane or Rheem...but if you just want
cheap, get a goodman, if you want something that will keep your tech a roof
over his head and food on the table for many years to come, get a Lennox or
Carrier.

"Noon-Air" <Noon-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:mdOdnSMNatNIMC_eRVn-(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) oups.com...
>>I can either replace a heat exchanger for about $400 (part under
>> warranty, labor based upon actual time), or buy a new furnace installed
>> for a net price of $2,600.
>>
>> Old furnace: 90% Carrier with a clogged secondary heat exchanger (still
>> works for about 15 minutes at a time until the limit switch trips, so
>> can maintain temp in current 30 degree weather). 88,000 BTU.
>> Manufacturing date of 1989, but some evidence suggests it was installed
>> in 1992. I replaced the motherboard a few years ago (did it myself for
>> about $125). The igniter was replaced a few weeks ago (free because the
>> service guy broke it during the tune & clean). Other than that, I think
>> all the parts are original. I think it has a lifetime heat exchanger
>> warranty (part only). Clogged secondary was diagnosed by: 1) Tripping
>> of Limit cutoff switch; and 2) Soot in exhaust pipe.
>>
>> New furnace: 94-96% Carrier Infinity 96. 80,000 BTU. Net cost of $2,600
>> which is: $3,550 less $150 Carrier rebate, $170 for paying cash (rather
>> than credit), $150 utility company rebate, $400 for replacing a
>> Carrier (bad heat exchanger program?), and $80 for tune and clean
>> performed 10 days ago. 10-year parts and labor warranty. Lifetime heat
>> exchanger warranty (part only). Because it is replacing a 90% Carrier,
>> it is a pretty direct swap-out. The new unit is a little shorter, so a
>> short collar to bridge the gap. PVC air supply and exhaust pipes are
>> fine.
>>
>> Situation: South East Wisconsin. I'm guessing the new furance will save
>> $200/yr, but also make the house more comfortable because of the
>> multi-stage, and hopefully a little more quiet.
>>
>> Because of rebates, a single stage 90% Carrier is only $300 cheaper,
>> and the other 2 stage Carrier is about $150 cheaper. The comparable
>> Lennox is about $500 more expensive (primarily due to the $400 Carrier
>> rebate). I have not priced a Trane or Rheem.
>>
>> I currently have 2 furnaces, and the other Carrier is identical, except
>> for being a smaller BTU. If I replace the furnace, I would keep the old
>> one for spare parts.
>>
>> When the service man diagnosed the problem, he quoted me a repair cost
>> that included the cost of the part ($800 repair). Only when I was doing
>> some purchase research did I discover the furnace had a lifetime heat
>> exchanger warranty.
>>
>> Questions:
>> 1) Any thoughts on replacing the heat exchanger, or the whole furnace
>> (seems like the age of the furnace is on the edge of being "old")?
>> 2) Does the price seem reasonable?
>> 3) How can I determine if they will install it right?
>> 4) Did they cause the problem when they tuned the furnace (dislodged
>> rust that clogged the secondary)? Service man did say the heat
>> exchanger was rusting, but should last a few more years.
>> 5) If they didn't cause the problem, should they have been able to see
>> the problem during the tune and clean (the problem arose when I set
>> back the thermostat 5 degrees when we were away for the weekend, and
>> the furnace needed extended run time to warm up the house)?
>> 6) Should I consider a comparable Trane or Rheem?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
>
> If you want the best, go with the Trane or Rheem...but if you just want
> cheap, get a goodman, if you want something that will keep your tech a
> roof over his head and food on the table for many years to come, get a
> Lennox or Carrier.
>


Best at what?
Rheems stack nice in teh salvage yard....


>
>

Good advice, there Noon. change the POS.
Noon-Air wrote:
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) oups.com...
> >I can either replace a heat exchanger for about $400 (part under
> > warranty, labor based upon actual time), or buy a new furnace installed
> > for a net price of $2,600.
> >
> > Old furnace: 90% Carrier with a clogged secondary heat exchanger (still
> > works for about 15 minutes at a time until the limit switch trips, so
> > can maintain temp in current 30 degree weather). 88,000 BTU.
> > Manufacturing date of 1989, but some evidence suggests it was installed
> > in 1992. I replaced the motherboard a few years ago (did it myself for
> > about $125). The igniter was replaced a few weeks ago (free because the
> > service guy broke it during the tune & clean). Other than that, I think
> > all the parts are original. I think it has a lifetime heat exchanger
> > warranty (part only). Clogged secondary was diagnosed by: 1) Tripping
> > of Limit cutoff switch; and 2) Soot in exhaust pipe.
> >
> > New furnace: 94-96% Carrier Infinity 96. 80,000 BTU. Net cost of $2,600
> > which is: $3,550 less $150 Carrier rebate, $170 for paying cash (rather
> > than credit), $150 utility company rebate, $400 for replacing a
> > Carrier (bad heat exchanger program?), and $80 for tune and clean
> > performed 10 days ago. 10-year parts and labor warranty. Lifetime heat
> > exchanger warranty (part only). Because it is replacing a 90% Carrier,
> > it is a pretty direct swap-out. The new unit is a little shorter, so a
> > short collar to bridge the gap. PVC air supply and exhaust pipes are
> > fine.
> >
> > Situation: South East Wisconsin. I'm guessing the new furance will save
> > $200/yr, but also make the house more comfortable because of the
> > multi-stage, and hopefully a little more quiet.
> >
> > Because of rebates, a single stage 90% Carrier is only $300 cheaper,
> > and the other 2 stage Carrier is about $150 cheaper. The comparable
> > Lennox is about $500 more expensive (primarily due to the $400 Carrier
> > rebate). I have not priced a Trane or Rheem.
> >
> > I currently have 2 furnaces, and the other Carrier is identical, except
> > for being a smaller BTU. If I replace the furnace, I would keep the old
> > one for spare parts.
> >
> > When the service man diagnosed the problem, he quoted me a repair cost
> > that included the cost of the part ($800 repair). Only when I was doing
> > some purchase research did I discover the furnace had a lifetime heat
> > exchanger warranty.
> >
> > Questions:
> > 1) Any thoughts on replacing the heat exchanger, or the whole furnace
> > (seems like the age of the furnace is on the edge of being "old")?
> > 2) Does the price seem reasonable?
> > 3) How can I determine if they will install it right?
> > 4) Did they cause the problem when they tuned the furnace (dislodged
> > rust that clogged the secondary)? Service man did say the heat
> > exchanger was rusting, but should last a few more years.
> > 5) If they didn't cause the problem, should they have been able to see
> > the problem during the tune and clean (the problem arose when I set
> > back the thermostat 5 degrees when we were away for the weekend, and
> > the furnace needed extended run time to warm up the house)?
> > 6) Should I consider a comparable Trane or Rheem?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
>
> If you want the best, go with the Trane or Rheem...but if you just want
> cheap, get a goodman, if you want something that will keep your tech a roof
> over his head and food on the table for many years to come, get a Lennox or
> Carrier.

Best condensing furnace on the market for about 12 years now.

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:23:00 -0600, "Noon-Air" <Noon-(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed) roups.com...
>>I can either replace a heat exchanger for about $400 (part under
>> warranty, labor based upon actual time), or buy a new furnace installed
>> for a net price of $2,600.
>>
>> Old furnace: 90% Carrier with a clogged secondary heat exchanger (still
>> works for about 15 minutes at a time until the limit switch trips, so
>> can maintain temp in current 30 degree weather). 88,000 BTU.
>> Manufacturing date of 1989, but some evidence suggests it was installed
>> in 1992. I replaced the motherboard a few years ago (did it myself for
>> about $125). The igniter was replaced a few weeks ago (free because the
>> service guy broke it during the tune & clean). Other than that, I think
>> all the parts are original. I think it has a lifetime heat exchanger
>> warranty (part only). Clogged secondary was diagnosed by: 1) Tripping
>> of Limit cutoff switch; and 2) Soot in exhaust pipe.
>>
>> New furnace: 94-96% Carrier Infinity 96. 80,000 BTU. Net cost of $2,600
>> which is: $3,550 less $150 Carrier rebate, $170 for paying cash (rather
>> than credit), $150 utility company rebate, $400 for replacing a
>> Carrier (bad heat exchanger program?), and $80 for tune and clean
>> performed 10 days ago. 10-year parts and labor warranty. Lifetime heat
>> exchanger warranty (part only). Because it is replacing a 90% Carrier,
>> it is a pretty direct swap-out. The new unit is a little shorter, so a
>> short collar to bridge the gap. PVC air supply and exhaust pipes are
>> fine.
>>
>> Situation: South East Wisconsin. I'm guessing the new furance will save
>> $200/yr, but also make the house more comfortable because of the
>> multi-stage, and hopefully a little more quiet.
>>
>> Because of rebates, a single stage 90% Carrier is only $300 cheaper,
>> and the other 2 stage Carrier is about $150 cheaper. The comparable
>> Lennox is about $500 more expensive (primarily due to the $400 Carrier
>> rebate). I have not priced a Trane or Rheem.
>>
>> I currently have 2 furnaces, and the other Carrier is identical, except
>> for being a smaller BTU. If I replace the furnace, I would keep the old
>> one for spare parts.
>>
>> When the service man diagnosed the problem, he quoted me a repair cost
>> that included the cost of the part ($800 repair). Only when I was doing
>> some purchase research did I discover the furnace had a lifetime heat
>> exchanger warranty.
>>
>> Questions:
>> 1) Any thoughts on replacing the heat exchanger, or the whole furnace
>> (seems like the age of the furnace is on the edge of being "old")?
>> 2) Does the price seem reasonable?
>> 3) How can I determine if they will install it right?
>> 4) Did they cause the problem when they tuned the furnace (dislodged
>> rust that clogged the secondary)? Service man did say the heat
>> exchanger was rusting, but should last a few more years.
>> 5) If they didn't cause the problem, should they have been able to see
>> the problem during the tune and clean (the problem arose when I set
>> back the thermostat 5 degrees when we were away for the weekend, and
>> the furnace needed extended run time to warm up the house)?
>> 6) Should I consider a comparable Trane or Rheem?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
>
>If you want the best, go with the Trane or Rheem...but if you just want
>cheap, get a goodman,

> if you want something that will keep your tech a roof
>over his head and food on the table for many years to come, get a Lennox or
>Carrier.

Shhhhhhh. Dont give away all the secrets. :-)
Bubba

"Abby Normal" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) oups.com...
> Best condensing furnace on the market for about 12 years now.
>

Best at replacement Id say..