On Jul 19, 2:07*am, Anti-Spam <A...@Spam.com> wrote:
> When topping up a cars AC system (one that still partially functions)
> with R134a, what is the rule of thumb for knowing how much to put into
> the system.

There is 'no rule of thumb' for charging an auto a/c ; it has to be
accurately metered in making sure you dont contaminate the system with
air and moisture when you recharge the system. You dont charge an
auto system until the suction line starts to get cold, as that is not
an accurate way. Please pay a qualified auto a/c Tech the money to
have it done properly, accurately, and safely . A can of R134A under
pressure can be dangerous in the wrong hands and should never be sold
on the shelf to the general public.

Do you have the same opinion about propane and butane?

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Please pay a qualified auto a/c Tech the money to
have it done properly, accurately, and safely . A can of
R134A under
pressure can be dangerous in the wrong hands and should
never be sold
on the shelf to the general public.

On Jul 19, 5:01*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Do you have the same opinion about propane and butane?
>
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> *www.lds.org
> .
>
> "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"*<ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8d8165a8-dd7a-4c2b-8698-
>
> Please pay a qualified auto a/c Tech the money to
> have it done properly, accurately, and safely . *A can of
> R134A under
> pressure can be dangerous in the wrong hands and should
> never be sold
> on the shelf to the general public.
>
>

Yes. Anything that is a toxic explosive gas should not be sold on the
shelves for the average consumer who most often doesnt know how to use
it properly or safely. The only butane I personally would condone on
the shelves is the very small container used for refilling a cigarette
lighter . Get a shot of shelf-bought liquid R134a in the eye and
suddenly that consumer would agree with Me.

On Jul 19, 9:52*am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>*A can of R134A under
> pressure can be dangerous in the wrong hands and should never be sold
> on the shelf to the general public.

The same can be said for religion:
Dangerous when fed to uneducated gullible people and should never be
sold off the shelf to the general public

On 7/20/2011 9:49 AM, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> On Jul 19, 5:01 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Do you have the same opinion about propane and butane?
>>
>> --
>> Christopher A. Young
>> Learn more about Jesus
>> www.lds.org
>> .
>>
>> "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"<ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:8d8165a8-dd7a-4c2b-8698-
>>
>> Please pay a qualified auto a/c Tech the money to
>> have it done properly, accurately, and safely . A can of
>> R134A under
>> pressure can be dangerous in the wrong hands and should
>> never be sold
>> on the shelf to the general public.
>>
>>
>
> Yes. Anything that is a toxic explosive gas should not be sold on the
> shelves for the average consumer who most often doesnt know how to use
> it properly or safely. The only butane I personally would condone on
> the shelves is the very small container used for refilling a cigarette
> lighter . Get a shot of shelf-bought liquid R134a in the eye and
> suddenly that consumer would agree with Me.

Using your logic..Perhaps we should outlaw the sale of cars etc.
Gasoline is one of the most used flammables that most folks seem to
misuse. Either in accidentally burning Homes and Garages down..But not
only that.. putting it in cars and killing each other. How about that
acetylene stuff.? Mix a bit of Oxygen with it and a spark and you can
take out a whole city block. Maybe we can outlaw Dry ice too..That makes
a nice urban bomb. Soap and tooth paste should be banned because they
contain glycerine.. Helluva an explosive if you get enough of it.
;-p


--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster

On 7/20/2011 2:51 PM, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> On Jul 19, 9:52 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"<ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> A can of R134A under
>> pressure can be dangerous in the wrong hands and should never be sold
>> on the shelf to the general public.
>
> The same can be said for religion:
> Dangerous when fed to uneducated gullible people and should never be
> sold off the shelf to the general public
>


Yes. Religion should only be doled out with the proper lubricant.








--
"OK you *****, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo

On Jul 20, 3:12*pm, PaxPerPoten <P...@USA.org> wrote:
> On 7/20/2011 9:49 AM, IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 19, 5:01 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
> > <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> *wrote:
> >> Do you have the same opinion about propane and butane?
>
> >> --
> >> Christopher A. Young
> >> Learn more about Jesus
> >> *www.lds.org
> >> .
>
> >> "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"<ilbeba...@gmail.com> *wrote in message
>
> >> news:8d8165a8-dd7a-4c2b-8698-
>
> >> Please pay a qualified auto a/c Tech the money to
> >> have it done properly, accurately, and safely . *A can of
> >> R134A under
> >> pressure can be dangerous in the wrong hands and should
> >> never be sold
> >> on the shelf to the general public.
>
> > Yes. Anything that is a toxic explosive gas should not be sold on the
> > shelves for the average consumer who most often doesnt know how to use
> > it properly or safely. *The only butane I personally would condone on
> > the shelves is the very small container used for refilling a cigarette
> > lighter . * Get a shot of shelf-bought liquid R134a *in the eye *and
> > suddenly that consumer would agree with Me.
>
> Using your logic..Perhaps we should outlaw the sale of cars etc.
> Gasoline is one of the most used flammables that most folks seem to
> misuse. Either in accidentally burning Homes and Garages down..But not
> only that.. putting it in cars and killing each other. How about that
> acetylene stuff.? Mix a bit of Oxygen with it and a spark and you can
> take out a whole city block. Maybe we can outlaw Dry ice too..That makes
> a nice urban bomb. Soap and tooth paste should be banned because they
> contain glycerine.. Helluva an explosive if you get enough of it.
> ;-p
>
> --
> It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
> the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
> ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
> be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
>
>

It makes no logical sense for a Teenager who can buy a 12 oz. can of
R134A Freon off the shelf at Walmart, when HVAC Professionals
require a Refrigerant Handling Card for correct useage and safety.

Might be age 18 stuff? I can't remember.

--
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It makes no logical sense for a Teenager who can buy a 12
oz. can of
R134A Freon off the shelf at Walmart, when HVAC
Professionals
require a Refrigerant Handling Card for correct useage and
safety.

On 7/21/2011 10:24 AM, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> On Jul 20, 3:12 pm, PaxPerPoten<P...@USA.org> wrote:
>> On 7/20/2011 9:49 AM, IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 19, 5:01 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
>>> <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Do you have the same opinion about propane and butane?
>>
>>>> --
>>>> Christopher A. Young
>>>> Learn more about Jesus
>>>> www.lds.org
>>>> .
>>
>>>> "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"<ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>> news:8d8165a8-dd7a-4c2b-8698-
>>
>>>> Please pay a qualified auto a/c Tech the money to
>>>> have it done properly, accurately, and safely . A can of
>>>> R134A under
>>>> pressure can be dangerous in the wrong hands and should
>>>> never be sold
>>>> on the shelf to the general public.
>>
>>> Yes. Anything that is a toxic explosive gas should not be sold on the
>>> shelves for the average consumer who most often doesnt know how to use
>>> it properly or safely. The only butane I personally would condone on
>>> the shelves is the very small container used for refilling a cigarette
>>> lighter . Get a shot of shelf-bought liquid R134a in the eye and
>>> suddenly that consumer would agree with Me.
>>
>> Using your logic..Perhaps we should outlaw the sale of cars etc.
>> Gasoline is one of the most used flammables that most folks seem to
>> misuse. Either in accidentally burning Homes and Garages down..But not
>> only that.. putting it in cars and killing each other. How about that
>> acetylene stuff.? Mix a bit of Oxygen with it and a spark and you can
>> take out a whole city block. Maybe we can outlaw Dry ice too..That makes
>> a nice urban bomb. Soap and tooth paste should be banned because they
>> contain glycerine.. Helluva an explosive if you get enough of it.
>> ;-p
>>
>> --
>> It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
>> the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
>> ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
>> be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
>>
>>
>
> It makes no logical sense for a Teenager who can buy a 12 oz. can of
> R134A Freon off the shelf at Walmart, when HVAC Professionals
> require a Refrigerant Handling Card for correct useage and safety.

I recall no such certification for R134A. I carry a Universal and I see
no such requirement in it. Please enlighten me. Not a whole lot of the
folks in the HVAC industry use R134A. I however do. Could it be better
that a teenager can buy R134A to huff then to cut the Schrader valve
locks off their neighbors Central air to gain a plastic bag of Cooling
gases to Huff? So the moral of the story is *Keep a tight rein on your
Damned Teenager*. Isn't it amazing that we can take a man-child into our
military, hand him weaponry, but we cannot trust our Man-child to
engage in responsible actions at home?


--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster

And, the Man-Child the dead guys in Chicago put in the White
House, now there's an embarassment.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"PaxPerPoten" <(E-Mail Removed)>
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So the moral of the story is *Keep a tight rein on your
Damned Teenager*. Isn't it amazing that we can take a
man-child into our
military, hand him weaponry, but we cannot trust our
Man-child to
engage in responsible actions at home?


--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was
made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are
men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*.
They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel
Webster