Some weeks ago I posted my plight regarding a toilet that suddenly
stopped flushing any type of solids, including small amounts of simple
toilet tissue.

I've received many suggestions and ultimately I decided it would be
easier to just replace the toilet which is what I did.

The new toilet flushes just fine.

Several people asked me to follow-up with a postmortem of the toilet
before I threw it out. I kept the toilet as a planter for a few weeks
in the front yard then I tired of it and took a hammer to it today.

Results: Nada. No objects anywhere. Clean as a whistle. Also, I
didn't find any objects in the drain.

I guess that I'll never know why a toilet after 10 or so years decided
to get up and die. Toilet suicide is so sad.

Lefty wrote:
> "John" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:h9m250$d2f$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Some weeks ago I posted my plight regarding a toilet that suddenly stopped
>> flushing any type of solids, including small amounts of simple toilet
>> tissue.
>>
>> I've received many suggestions and ultimately I decided it would be easier
>> to just replace the toilet which is what I did.
>>
>> The new toilet flushes just fine.
>>
>> Several people asked me to follow-up with a postmortem of the toilet
>> before I threw it out. I kept the toilet as a planter for a few weeks in
>> the front yard then I tired of it and took a hammer to it today.
>>
>> Results: Nada. No objects anywhere. Clean as a whistle. Also, I didn't
>> find any objects in the drain.
>>
>> I guess that I'll never know why a toilet after 10 or so years decided to
>> get up and die. Toilet suicide is so sad.
>
> Then you either had calcium clogging the rim flush holes, not clogged
> completely, but some blockage just the same.

Someone else suggested that. I put a coat hanger in the holes (when the
toilet was connected) and didn't notice anything obvious. I didn't
check for that during the postmortem.
>
> Or something happened to the flush ball in the tank which screwed up the
> timing of the flush.

I replaced all the components in the tank.

>
> Lefty
>
>

On Sep 27, 8:14�am, John <J...@nospam.net> wrote:
> Lefty wrote:
> > "John" <J...@nospam.net> wrote in messagenews:h9m250$d2f$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> Some weeks ago I posted my plight regarding a toilet that suddenly stopped
> >> flushing any type of solids, including small amounts of simple toilet
> >> tissue.
>
> >> I've received many suggestions and ultimately I decided it would be easier
> >> to just replace the toilet which is what I did.
>
> >> The new toilet flushes just fine.
>
> >> Several people asked me to follow-up with a postmortem of the toilet
> >> before I threw it out. �I kept the toilet as a planter for a few weeks in
> >> the front yard then I tired of it and took a hammer to it today.
>
> >> Results: �Nada. �No objects anywhere. �Clean as a whistle. �Also, I didn't
> >> find any objects in the drain.
>
> >> I guess that I'll never know why a toilet after 10 or so years decidedto
> >> get up and die. �Toilet suicide is so sad.
>
> > Then you either had calcium clogging the rim flush holes, not clogged
> > completely, but some blockage just the same.
>
> Someone else suggested that. �I put a coat hanger in the holes (when the
> toilet was connected) and didn't notice anything obvious. �I didn't
> check for that during the postmortem.
>
>
>
> > Or something happened to the flush ball in the tank which screwed up the
> > timing of the flush.
>
> I replaced all the components in the tank.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Lefty- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

if the old toilet is still around try smashing the bowl ring area, no
doubt its filled with sludge. could of easily been cleaned out with
acid.

5 bucks is cheap, did you try the acid thing?

if not why not?

On Sep 27, 3:24�pm, "Roger Shoaf" <sh...@nospamsyix.com> wrote:
> "John" <J...@nospam.net> wrote in messagenews:h9m250$d2f$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Some weeks ago I posted my plight regarding a toilet that suddenly
> > stopped flushing any type of solids, including small amounts of simple
> > toilet tissue.
>
> > I've received many suggestions and ultimately I decided it would be
> > easier to just replace the toilet which is what I did.
>
> > The new toilet flushes just fine.
>
> > Several people asked me to follow-up with a postmortem of the toilet
> > before I threw it out. �I kept the toilet as a planter for a few weeks
> > in �the front yard then I tired of it and took a hammer to it today.
>
> > Results: �Nada. �No objects anywhere. �Clean asa whistle. �Also, I
> > didn't find any objects in the drain.
>
> > I guess that I'll never know why a toilet after 10 or so years decided
> > to get up and die. �Toilet suicide is so sad.
>
> I think I was the one that asked for the after action report.
>
> I realize this comes a little late for your unit, but I suspect that the
> calcium build up in the rim was the problem, but an easy way for some oneto
> fix that is to use a plastic trash can and mix muriatic acid with enough
> water to cover the base of the toilet and let it soak for a few days. �That
> will dissolve any crusties in the porcelain and should do the trick.
>
> It also takes out the hard water and rust stains on some older johns that
> just won't scrub off.
>
> --
> Roger Shoaf
> If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent..- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

a easier way is pour muriatic acid down the dip tube, wait 15 minutes
and flush normally, repeat as needed. then flush 10 or 15 times to
dilute any acid remaining in the system. wear safety glasses, use a
funel and have the room well ventilated.

its worth a try and can do no harm if your going to replace the toilet
anyway

bob haller wrote:
> On Sep 27, 3:24?pm, "Roger Shoaf" <sh...@nospamsyix.com> wrote:
>> "John" <J...@nospam.net> wrote in
>> messagenews:h9m250$d2f$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Some weeks ago I posted my plight regarding a toilet that suddenly
>>> stopped flushing any type of solids, including small amounts of
>>> simple toilet tissue.
>>
>>> I've received many suggestions and ultimately I decided it would be
>>> easier to just replace the toilet which is what I did.
>>
>>> The new toilet flushes just fine.
>>
>>> Several people asked me to follow-up with a postmortem of the toilet
>>> before I threw it out. ?I kept the toilet as a planter for a few
>>> weeks in ?the front yard then I tired of it and took a hammer to it
>>> today.
>>
>>> Results: ?Nada. ?No objects anywhere. ?Clean as a whistle. ?Also, I
>>> didn't find any objects in the drain.
>>
>>> I guess that I'll never know why a toilet after 10 or so years
>>> decided to get up and die. ?Toilet suicide is so sad.
>>
>> I think I was the one that asked for the after action report.
>>
>> I realize this comes a little late for your unit, but I suspect that
>> the
>> calcium build up in the rim was the problem, but an easy way for
>> some one to
>> fix that is to use a plastic trash can and mix muriatic acid with
>> enough
>> water to cover the base of the toilet and let it soak for a few
>> days. ?That
>> will dissolve any crusties in the porcelain and should do the trick.
>>
>> It also takes out the hard water and rust stains on some older johns
>> that
>> just won't scrub off.
>>
>> --
>> Roger Shoaf
>> If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the
>> solvent.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> a easier way is pour muriatic acid down the dip tube, wait 15 minutes
> and flush normally, repeat as needed. then flush 10 or 15 times to
> dilute any acid remaining in the system. wear safety glasses, use a
> funel and have the room well ventilated.
>
> its worth a try and can do no harm if your going to replace the toilet
> anyway

Just curious, I need to do this to a toilet but what is the "dip" tube?

Did a google and came up with a diagram, but no dip tube. Not being a
smartass, really want to know how to clean out the toilet once and for all

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=h...num=7&ct=image

Thanks for the help


--
PV

"Begin each day as if it were on purpose"
Mary Anne Radmacher

On Sep 27, 8:43�pm, "PV" <edrnouser@ spam telus.net> wrote:
> bob haller wrote:
> > On Sep 27, 3:24?pm, "Roger Shoaf" <sh...@nospamsyix.com> wrote:
> >> "John" <J...@nospam.net> wrote in
> >> messagenews:h9m250$d2f$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >>> Some weeks ago I posted my plight regarding a toilet that suddenly
> >>> stopped flushing any type of solids, including small amounts of
> >>> simple toilet tissue.
>
> >>> I've received many suggestions and ultimately I decided it would be
> >>> easier to just replace the toilet which is what I did.
>
> >>> The new toilet flushes just fine.
>
> >>> Several people asked me to follow-up with a postmortem of the toilet
> >>> before I threw it out. ?I kept the toilet as a planter for a few
> >>> weeks in ?the front yard then I tired of it and took a hammer to it
> >>> today.
>
> >>> Results: ?Nada. ?No objects anywhere. ?Clean as a whistle. ?Also, I
> >>> didn't find any objects in the drain.
>
> >>> I guess that I'll never know why a toilet after 10 or so years
> >>> decided to get up and die. ?Toilet suicide is so sad.
>
> >> I think I was the one that asked for the after action report.
>
> >> I realize this comes a little late for your unit, but I suspect that
> >> the
> >> calcium build up in the rim was the problem, but an easy way for
> >> some one to
> >> fix that is to use a plastic trash can and mix muriatic acid with
> >> enough
> >> water to cover the base of the toilet and let it soak for a few
> >> days. ?That
> >> will dissolve any crusties in the porcelain and should do the trick.
>
> >> It also takes out the hard water and rust stains on some older johns
> >> that
> >> just won't scrub off.
>
> >> --
> >> Roger Shoaf
> >> If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the
> >> solvent.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > a easier way is pour muriatic acid down the dip tube, wait 15 minutes
> > and flush normally, repeat as needed. then flush 10 or 15 times to
> > dilute any acid remaining in the system. wear safety glasses, use a
> > funel and have the room well ventilated.
>
> > its worth a try and can do no harm if your going to replace the toilet
> > anyway
>
> Just curious, I need to do this to a toilet but what is the "dip" tube?
>
> Did a google and came up with a diagram, but no dip tube. �Not being a
> smartass, really want to know how to clean out the toilet once and for all
>
> http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=h...tstyle.com/toi....
>
> Thanks for the help
>
> --
> PV
>
> "Begin each day as if it were on purpose"
> Mary Anne Radmacher- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

its the tube thats inn the tank, open at top and has hose connected or
inserted at top, the dip tube water causes the start of the wave that
ultimately causes the flush.

the dip tube water comes out the bowl rim holes

bob haller wrote:
> On Sep 27, 8:43?pm, "PV" <edrnouser@ spam telus.net> wrote:
>> bob haller wrote:
>>> On Sep 27, 3:24?pm, "Roger Shoaf" <sh...@nospamsyix.com> wrote:
>>>> "John" <J...@nospam.net> wrote in
>>>> messagenews:h9m250$d2f$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>> Some weeks ago I posted my plight regarding a toilet that suddenly
>>>>> stopped flushing any type of solids, including small amounts of
>>>>> simple toilet tissue.
>>
>>>>> I've received many suggestions and ultimately I decided it would
>>>>> be easier to just replace the toilet which is what I did.
>>
>>>>> The new toilet flushes just fine.
>>
>>>>> Several people asked me to follow-up with a postmortem of the
>>>>> toilet before I threw it out. ?I kept the toilet as a planter for
>>>>> a few weeks in ?the front yard then I tired of it and took a
>>>>> hammer to it today.
>>
>>>>> Results: ?Nada. ?No objects anywhere. ?Clean as a whistle. ?Also,
>>>>> I didn't find any objects in the drain.
>>
>>>>> I guess that I'll never know why a toilet after 10 or so years
>>>>> decided to get up and die. ?Toilet suicide is so sad.
>>
>>>> I think I was the one that asked for the after action report.
>>
>>>> I realize this comes a little late for your unit, but I suspect
>>>> that the
>>>> calcium build up in the rim was the problem, but an easy way for
>>>> some one to
>>>> fix that is to use a plastic trash can and mix muriatic acid with
>>>> enough
>>>> water to cover the base of the toilet and let it soak for a few
>>>> days. ?That
>>>> will dissolve any crusties in the porcelain and should do the
>>>> trick.
>>
>>>> It also takes out the hard water and rust stains on some older
>>>> johns that
>>>> just won't scrub off.
>>
>>>> --
>>>> Roger Shoaf
>>>> If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the
>>>> solvent.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> a easier way is pour muriatic acid down the dip tube, wait 15
>>> minutes and flush normally, repeat as needed. then flush 10 or 15
>>> times to dilute any acid remaining in the system. wear safety
>>> glasses, use a funel and have the room well ventilated.
>>
>>> its worth a try and can do no harm if your going to replace the
>>> toilet anyway
>>
>> Just curious, I need to do this to a toilet but what is the "dip"
>> tube?
>>
>> Did a google and came up with a diagram, but no dip tube. ?Not being
>> a smartass, really want to know how to clean out the toilet once and
>> for all
>>
>> http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=h...tstyle.com/toi...
>>
>> Thanks for the help
>>
>> --
>> PV
>>
>> "Begin each day as if it were on purpose"
>> Mary Anne Radmacher- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> its the tube thats inn the tank, open at top and has hose connected or
> inserted at top, the dip tube water causes the start of the wave that
> ultimately causes the flush.
>
> the dip tube water comes out the bowl rim holes

Thanks, Will give this a shot tomorrow


--
PV

"Begin each day as if it were on purpose"
Mary Anne Radmacher

On Sep 28, 6:24�am, "Roger Shoaf" <sh...@nospamsyix.com> wrote:
> "PV" <edrnouser@ spam telus.net> wrote in messagenews:KTVvm.45554$Db2.5081@edtnps83...
>
>
>
> > >>>> I think I was the one that asked for the after action report.
>
> > >>>> I realize this comes a little late for your unit, but I suspect
> > >>>> that the
> > >>>> calcium build up in the rim was the problem, but an easy way for
> > >>>> some one to
> > >>>> fix that is to use a plastic trash can and mix muriatic acid with
> > >>>> enough
> > >>>> water to cover the base of the toilet and let it soak for a few
> > >>>> days. ?That
> > >>>> will dissolve any crusties in the porcelain and should do the
> > >>>> trick.
>
> > >>>> It also takes out the hard water and rust stains on some older
> > >>>> johns that
> > >>>> just won't scrub off.
>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Roger Shoaf
> > >>>> If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the
> > >>>> solvent.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> > >>> a easier way is pour muriatic acid down the dip tube, wait 15
> > >>> minutes and flush normally, repeat as needed. then flush 10 or 15
> > >>> times to dilute any acid remaining in the system. wear safety
> > >>> glasses, use a funel and have the room well ventilated.
>
> > >>> its worth a try and can do no harm if your going to replace the
> > >>> toilet anyway
>
> > >> Just curious, I need to do this to a toilet but what is the "dip"
> > >> tube?
>
> > >> Did a google and came up with a diagram, but no dip tube. ?Not being
> > >> a smartass, really want to know how to clean out the toilet once and
> > >> for all
>
> http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=h...tstyle.com/toi....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > >> Thanks for the help
>
> > >> --
> > >> PV
>
> > >> "Begin each day as if it were on purpose"
> > >> Mary Anne Radmacher- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > its the tube thats inn the tank, open at top and has hose connected or
> > > inserted at top, the dip tube water causes the start of the wave that
> > > ultimately causes the flush.
>
> > > the dip tube water comes out the bowl rim holes
>
> > Thanks, �Will give this a shot tomorrow
>
> > --
> > PV
>
> I would like to make a couple of points here. �First I don't think that
> there is more than one path for the water to flow there is only one hole in
> the main body of the toilet that the water goes into. �What was referred to
> as the dip tube I believe is properly referred to as the overflow tube, and
> the little hose that flows in to the tube is to give a little water after
> the flush to return the level in the bowl to full. �The water is well on its
> way when the flapper valve opens.
>
> As I see the choice between the two proposed methods, the removal method has
> the disadvantage of having to remove the toilet and disassemble, but the
> advantage is that it does a really thorough job as the acidic mix is keptin
> contact with the calcium deposits until it all fizzes away, and you do not
> have a bunch of acid fumes stinking up the house. �You also get to replace
> the wax ring and check the condition of the gasket between the tank and the
> bowl.
>
> If you just pour the acid in most of it just flows right down the drain and
> does nothing, and you end up on your hands and knees poking a chunk of wire
> into the rim holes while sniffing acid fumes.
>
> Good luck which ever way you choose.
>
> --
> Roger Shoaf
>
> If knowledge is power, and power corrupts, what does this say about the
> Congress?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

obviously you never tried the acid method? pour in tube wait 15
minutes and flush, then if your not satisfied just repeat.......

having done this or suggested it to many people including some here
who reported back worked great.....

fact is not one reported failure, as long as toilet flushes fine with
bucket was criteria for acid treatment.

biggest problem is peoples fear of acid.

why not try my method, if it fails wait a week so all acid traces are
gone, and then pull toilet?

a week is overkill, but geez most toilets like this go bad over time,
so waiting doesnt matter

On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 05:56:05 -0700 (PDT), bob haller <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>having done this or suggested it to many people including some here
>who reported back worked great.....

Works great.. A little more detail here:

"Muriatic Acid Method"

http://www.wikihow.com/Fix-a-Slow-Toilet