This one's at the budgeting stage right now...

Next year, I would like to build my own workshop from scratch - simple
timber construction, insulated and very very strong. I need a weird shape
to avoid planning issues (the >5m rule from house rule - I need a chopped
off 45 degree corner on one bit) so standard offerings are unlikely to be
much good. And it will be fun to build something structural from scratch

Any tips on a good source of wood that's solid, stable and inexpensive?

(I reckon I would need a few 6x2's for the floor beams, 4x2" or 3x3 for roof
and walls and something to clad the outside).

I was thinking decking timber for the structural bits and the floors as it's
fairly ubiquitous. Is there a better source and how much might I expect to
pay per metre for say 4x2" ish (so I know what to shoot for).

The whole thing will sit on brick or concrete bearer walls so I can store
long things (ladders) underneath and get good airflow. I'll be insulating
it and lining the inside walls too.

Ta

Tim

On 12 Aug, 09:54, Tim S <t...@dionic.net> wrote:
> This one's at the budgeting stage right now...
>
> Next year, I would like to build my own workshop from scratch - simple
> timber construction, insulated and very very strong. I need a weird shape
> to avoid planning issues (the >5m rule from house rule - I need a chopped

That rule doesn't exist anymore does it (at least in England)

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/eng...315233153.html

Airsource Ltd <ben-(E-Mail Removed)> wibbled:

> On 12 Aug, 09:54, Tim S <t...@dionic.net> wrote:
>> This one's at the budgeting stage right now...
>>
>> Next year, I would like to build my own workshop from scratch - simple
>> timber construction, insulated and very very strong. I need a weird shape
>> to avoid planning issues (the >5m rule from house rule - I need a chopped
>
> That rule doesn't exist anymore does it (at least in England)
>
> http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/eng...315233153.html

Ah. So the old "<5m means deduct from the permitted development volume of
house" rule is dead then?...

That's handy. I have a square garden with the bungalow in the middle so
getting any distance from the house is a challenge.

And I can have >15m2 if I keep it >1m from any boundary or <15m2 if I have
it closer.

Seems simple and fair[1]. TBH, 15m2 is pretty large and should be more than
enough as I'll have a couple of "sentry sheds" for garden tools elsewhere.

[1] Though I'm not sure what the deal is with verandas. Seems to count
against summer houses rather. If I need one I'll make it detachable
Balconies and raised decks I can understand.

Cheers

Tim

On Aug 12, 10:56*am, Tim S <t...@dionic.net> wrote:
> Airsource Ltd <be...@blaukopf.com> wibbled:
>
> > On 12 Aug, 09:54, Tim S <t...@dionic.net> wrote:
> >> This one's at the budgeting stage right now...
>
> >> Next year, I would like to build my own workshop from scratch - simple
> >> timber construction, insulated and very very strong. I need a weird shape
> >> to avoid planning issues (the >5m rule from house rule - I need a chopped
>
> > That rule doesn't exist anymore does it (at least in England)
>
> >http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/eng...315233153.html
>
> Ah. So the old "<5m means deduct from the permitted development volume of
> house" rule is dead then?...
>
> That's handy. I have a square garden with the bungalow in the middle so
> getting any distance from the house is a challenge.
>
> And I can have >15m2 if I keep it >1m from any boundary or <15m2 if I have
> it closer.
>
> Seems simple and fair[1]. TBH, 15m2 is pretty large and should be more than
> enough as I'll have a couple of "sentry sheds" for garden tools elsewhere..
>
> [1] Though I'm not sure what the deal is with verandas. Seems to count
> against summer houses rather. If I need one I'll make it detachable
> Balconies and raised decks I can understand.
>
> Cheers
>
> Tim

From memory, the new rules are even more relaxed. You best check on
the planning portal but believe that the size is not related to
distance from the boundary but is something like 50% of ther garden!!
The distance from the boundary does impact height though and whether
building regs is also required.

thanks

Lee.

On 12 Aug, 09:54, Tim S <t...@dionic.net> wrote:
> This one's at the budgeting stage right now...
>
> Next year, I would like to build my own workshop from scratch - simple
> timber construction, insulated and very very strong. I need a weird shape
> to avoid planning issues (the >5m rule from house rule - I need a chopped
> off 45 degree corner on one bit) so standard offerings are unlikely to be
> much good. And it will be fun to build something structural from scratch
>
> Any tips on a good source of wood that's solid, stable and inexpensive?
>
> (I reckon I would need a few 6x2's for the floor beams, 4x2" or 3x3 for roof
> and walls and something to clad the outside).
>
> I was thinking decking timber for the structural bits and the floors as it's
> fairly ubiquitous. Is there a better source and how much might I expect to
> pay per metre for say 4x2" ish (so I know what to shoot for).
>
> The whole thing will sit on brick or concrete bearer walls so I can store
> long things (ladders) underneath and get good airflow. I'll be insulating
> it and lining the inside walls too.
>
> Ta
>
> Tim

Tim
There was a query here on the 7th August on "Concrete base -
reinforcement" to which I gave a fairly extensive reply on shed
building based on 30 plus years of maintaining and building sheds.
That may be of use to you.

I did get a hard time from a similarly aged friend recently for my
over-engineering on the grounds that he wanted his structure to last
the rest of his possible occupation of that house and beyond that he
didn't care. He did argue quite logically that he wasn't building a
shed for 2 generations hence !

Rob

John Rumm <(E-Mail Removed)> wibbled:

> Tim S wrote:
>
>> Seems simple and fair[1]. TBH, 15m2 is pretty large and should be more
>> than enough as I'll have a couple of "sentry sheds" for garden tools
>> elsewhere.
>
> 1st rule of sheds / workshops: they are never big enough!
>

Can I add a cellar?

Talking of which, someone once told me that subterranian buildings didn't
need planning permission. Wonder if that was an urban myth?...

John Rumm <(E-Mail Removed)> wibbled:

> I used 3x2 framing on the last one I did, with 19mm shiplap on the
> outside, and 12mm ply lining - that was massively over engineered and
> very strong. I used 4x2 for the ridge beam and the floor bearers (but I
> had lots of pad bricks on a slab).
>
> http://www.internode.co.uk/workshop/
>

Nice

Rob G <(E-Mail Removed)> wibbled:


>
> Tim
> There was a query here on the 7th August on "Concrete base -
> reinforcement" to which I gave a fairly extensive reply on shed
> building based on 30 plus years of maintaining and building sheds.
> That may be of use to you.
>
> I did get a hard time from a similarly aged friend recently for my
> over-engineering on the grounds that he wanted his structure to last
> the rest of his possible occupation of that house and beyond that he
> didn't care. He did argue quite logically that he wasn't building a
> shed for 2 generations hence !
>
> Rob

Found it - that was very interesting - thanks Rob.

Cheers

Tim

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:50:46 +0100, Tim S wrote:

> John Rumm <(E-Mail Removed)> wibbled:
>
>> I used 3x2 framing on the last one I did, with 19mm shiplap on the
>> outside, and 12mm ply lining - that was massively over engineered and
>> very strong. I used 4x2 for the ridge beam and the floor bearers (but I
>> had lots of pad bricks on a slab).
>>
>> http://www.internode.co.uk/workshop/
>>
>
> Nice

Yes, that's brilliant!

As for a shed never being big enough: I built one of 3x2.4m (it fits
against the existing brick shed of the same size), so doubled my space. Get
it sorted out and tidy - my cousin turns up with her old kitchen units and
fills the place! I couldn't refuse and they're better than mine, but then a
couple of friends turn up and are staying intermittently for several weeks,
so I can't move the units.

I need another shed...
--
Peter.
The head of a pin will hold more angels if
it's been flattened with an angel-grinder.

On 12 Aug, 21:44, Tim S <t...@dionic.net> wrote:
> Can I add a cellar?
>
> Talking of which, someone once told me that subterranian buildings didn't
> need planning permission. Wonder if that was an urban myth?...

Yes.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/20...anning_refusal

John